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926 [926]

Actes and Monumentes Of the Church

I, not if I shoulde trouble you, no no I wyll tel you sayth he, because I found the opinion of transubstāciatiō receiued in the church whē I hard it spokē against, I serched the aunciēt Doctors diligently, and went aboute to stablish it by them, because it was receiued, and when I red many of them, I found little for it, and could not be satisfied: then I went to the schole doctours, and namely to Gabriell, and wayed his reasons, the which whā I had done, and perceiued they were no pithier, Languescebat opinio mea de transubstantiatione, my opinion of trāsubstanciatiō waxed feble, & then sayth he, I retourned againe to Tertullian and Irenæus, and when I hadde obserued their sayings, mine opinion that there should be transubstantiatiō prorsus erat abolita, was quite dasshed. Then sayd I, you know that the schole Doctors did hold that panis non remanebat post consecrationem, that bread remayned not after consecration, as they called it. The schole doctors saythe he did not knowe what consecratio doth meane: and here he paused a while: I pray you sayd I, what saye you that consecratio doth meane? sayth he, MarginaliaWhat is cōsecratioit is Tota actio in ministring the sacrament as Christ did institute it. Al the whole thing done in the ministery as Christ ordeyned it, that is consecratio: and what (sayth he) neede we to doubte that breade remayneth? Scripture calleth it breade, and certayne good Autors that be of later time, be of that opinion.

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After that I had communed with maister Readman, and taken my leaue of hym, Maister Yonge came forth into the next chamber with me, to whome I said: that I was glad to se maister Doctor Redman so wel minded: then sayth mayster Yong to me, I am sure he will not deny it, I ensure you saith he: Maister doctor hath so moued me, that wher as I was of that opinion before in certayne things, that I would haue burned and lost my life for thē. now saythe maister Yonge, I doubte of them. but I se sayth he, a man shall know more and more by proces of time, and reading and hearing of other: and maister Doctor Redamans saying shall cause me to loke more diligently for them.

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Item, that Ellis Mayster doctor Redmans seruante shewed me, that he did knowe that hys Mayster hadde declared to kynge Henry the eight his maiesty, that fayth onely iustifieth: but that doctrin, as he thought, was not to be taught the people, least they shoulde be negligent to do good workes.

The sayd maister Yonge hath reported, the which also I hearde, that Maister doctour Redman should saye, that consensus Ecclesiæ the cōsent of the church was but a weake staffe to cleaue to, MarginaliaConsensus Ecclesie is but a weake staffe. but dyd exhorte him to reade the scriptures, for there was that, whiche shoulde comfort him when he would be in suche case as he was then.

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Epistola Magistri Yongi ad D. Chekum, exscripta ex ipsius Yongi autographo. 
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This letter, which Foxe claimed was a translation of the autograph, almost certainly passed from Cheke to Cecil, and thence to Foxe. But Cecil probably obtained this letter after the report of Redman's answers was printed or it would have been included. Young's version of what Redman said is basically consistent with the versions given by Wilkes and Nowell, but in his version Redman is less doubtful about the Real Presence in the Sacrament. In Young's version, Redman also accepts Purgatory, while in the third of Nowell's points, Redman denies its existence.

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ETsi animus mihi nō mediocri dolore perculsus est vir ampliß ppter immaturā (nisi ita deo visum sit) & flebilē sanctiß: et eruditiß: viri D. Redmani mortē, adeo vt luctu et mærore multum obstupefactus, vix tandem semet aut ad agendum aut ad cogitandum expediat: tamen cum id tuā amplitudinem me facere velle intelligam, libenter me ipse colligo, atq́; quæ ab ipso pio & Docto Redmano bonæ memoriæ viro dum adhuc diuturna infirmitate cōtabescebat certam mortem expectaret, de religionis controuersijs, quibus hodie Christi sponsa Ecclesia misere diuexatur, pronunciata audiuerim, fideliter & vere hisce meis literis enarrare instituo. Is vero viginti iam aut āplius annos in sacris literis assidua lectione versatus, atq́; obortas de religione cōtrouersias magno studio & multis vigilijs diligenter & industrie, non sine aßiduis precibus & singulari quadā animi magnitudine & modestia excutiens & pensitans, sic semet semper gessit, vt nec quod adulterinum & superstitiosum sibi videretur approbaret, nec quæ vera & pia esse sentiret vnquam improbaret. Itaq́; licet quibusdam in rebus sententiam ipse suam immutaret, idq́; cōpluribus quibus illius singularis grauitas incognita fuerat, vel animi leuitate, vel metu & pusillanitate facere videatur: illis tamen quibus ipsius mores propter familiarem vitæ consuetudinem perspectiores fuerunt, illitq́; qui sibi morienti adfuerunt, animaduerteretur in causis accuratè excußis et ponderatis, nō temeraria et inconsulta animi perturbatione, sed deliberato atque constanti iudicio et conscientia planè persuasa in cam, quam moriens profitebatur, fidei rationem descendisse. Scire verò tuam prudentiam velim, quod vicinus morti, abiectaiam omni spe salutis recuperandæ, ipse nihil aliud meditabatur (sicuti qui astitimus facilè ex illius sermone deprehendimus) quam cœlum & celestia, atque futurum iudicium et seruatorem nostrum Christum, ad quem incredibili quodam ardore animi, corpore exutus demigrare cupiebat, de quo crebro sermonē faciebat, cuius incredibilem amorem et dilectionem in nos miseros mortales multum & magnificè idque sæpe non sine lachrimis predicare et esserre solebat, nosque qui adfuimus quo nosmet futuro Christi iudicio præparemus mutuoque nos inuicē amore cōplecteremur, atque a corruptiß: hoc seculo caueremus, vehementer hortaretur et moneret. Atque etiam si quis quid de illo sciscitari vellet, si quæ sentiret esse vera, ea (deo teste) ad quē se breui demigraturum sperabat responsurum pollicetur. Ibi tum præsens vir magno veræ pietatis studio fligrans. D. Alexander Nowellus atque illius perpetuò & amans & studiosus ad hunc modum orsus est.

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Tuam & eruditionem excellentem & vitam integerrimam semper adamaui et admiratus sum, atque non

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