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Thematic Divisions in Book 5
1. Preface to Rubric 2. The Rubric 3. Mary's First Moves 4. The Inhibition5. Bourne's Sermon 6. The True Report7. The Precept to Bonner 8. Anno 15549. From 'The Communication' to 'A Monition' 10. Bonner's Monition11. Mary's Articles for Bonner 12. The Articles 13. From Mary's Proclamation to the 'Stile'14. From the 'Stile' to the 'Communication' 15. The 'Communication' 16. How Thomas Cranmer ... 17. Cranmer18. Ridley 19. Latimer20. Harpsfield's Forme 21. 1563's Disputational Digest22. Political Events up to Suffolk's Death 23. Between Mantell and the Preacher's Declaration 24. The Declaration of Bradford et al 25. May 19 to August 1 26. August 1 - September 3 27. From Bonner's Mandate to Pole's Oration 28. Winchester's Sermon to Bonner's Visitation 29. Pole's Oration 30. From the Supplication to Gardiner's Sermon 31. From Gardiner's Sermon to 1555 32. From the Arrest of Rose to Hooper's Letter 33. Hooper's Answer and Letter 34. To the End of Book X 35. The Martyrdom of Rogers 36. The Martyrdom of Saunders 37. Saunders' Letters 38. Hooper's Martyrdom 39. Hooper's Letters 40. Rowland Taylor's Martyrdom 41. Becket's Image and other events 42. Miles Coverdale and the Denmark Letters 43. Bonner and Reconciliation 44. Robert Farrar's Martyrdom 45. The Martyrdom of Thomas Tomkins 46. The Martyrdom of Rawlins/Rowland White47. The Martyrdom of Higbed and Causton 48. The Martyrdom of William Hunter 49. The Martyrdom of Pigot, Knight and Laurence 50. Judge Hales 51. The Providential Death of the Parson of Arundel 52. The Martyrdom of John Awcocke 53. The Martyrdom of George Marsh 54. The Letters of George Marsh 55. The Martyrdom of William Flower 56. Mary's False Pregnancy57. The Martyrdom of Cardmaker and Warne 58. John Tooly 59. The Examination of Robert Bromley [nb This is part of the Tooly affair]60. Censorship Proclamation 61. The Martyrdom of Thomas Haukes 62. Letters of Haukes 63. The Martyrdom of Thomas Watts 64. Martyrdom of Osmund, Bamford, Osborne and Chamberlain65. The Martyrdom of Ardley and Simpson 66. The Martyrdom of John Bradford 67. Bradford's Letters 68. William Minge 69. The Martyrdom of John Bland 70. The Martyrdom of Frankesh, Middleton and Sheterden 71. Sheterden's Letters 72. Martyrdom of Carver and Launder 73. Martyrdom of Thomas Iveson 74. John Aleworth 75. Martyrdom of James Abbes 76. Martyrdom of Denley, Newman and Pacingham 77. Examinations of Hall, Wade and Polley 78. Richard Hooke 79. Martyrdom of William Coker, et al 80. Martyrdom of George Tankerfield, et al 81. Martyrdom and Letters of Robert Smith 82. Martyrdom of Harwood and Fust 83. Martyrdom of William Haile 84. Examination of John Newman 85. Martyrdom of Robert Samuel 86. George King, Thomas Leyes and John Wade 87. William Andrew 88. William Allen 89. Martyrdom of Thomas Cobb 90. Martyrdom of Roger Coo 91. Martyrdom of Catmer, Streater, Burwood, Brodbridge, Tutty 92. Martyrdom of Hayward and Goreway 93. Martyrdom and Letters of Robert Glover 94. John and William Glover 95. Cornelius Bungey 96. Martyrdom of Wolsey and Pigot 97. Life and Character of Nicholas Ridley 98. Ridley and Latimer's Conference 99. Ridley's Letters 100. Life of Hugh Latimer 101. Latimer's Letters 102. Ridley and Latimer Re-examined and Executed103. More Letters of Ridley 104. Life and Death of Stephen Gardiner 105. Martyrdom of Webb, Roper and Park 106. William Wiseman 107. Examinations and Martyrdom of John Philpot 108. John Went 109. Isobel Foster 110. Joan Lashford 111. Five Canterbury Martyrs 112. Life and Martyrdom of Cranmer 113. Letters of Cranmer 114. Martyrdom of Agnes Potten and Joan Trunchfield 115. Persecution in Salisbury Maundrell, Coberly and Spicer 116. William Tyms, et al 117. The Norfolk Supplication 118. Letters of Tyms 119. John Hullier's Execution120. John Hullier 121. Christopher Lister and five other martyrs 122. Hugh Lauerocke and John Apprice 123. Katherine Hut, Elizabeth Thacknell, et al 124. Martyrdom of John Harpole and Joan Beach 125. Thomas Drury and Thomas Croker 126. Thomas Spicer, John Deny and Edmund Poole 127. Thomas Rede128. Persecution of Winson and Mendlesam 129. William Slech 130. Avington Read, et al 131. Wood and Miles 132. Adherall and Clement 133. A Merchant's Servant Executed at Leicester 134. Thirteen Burnt at Stratford-le-Bow135. Persecution in Lichfield 136. Hunt, Norrice, Parret 137. Martyrdom of Bernard, Lawson and Foster 138. John Careless 139. Letters of John Careless 140. Martyrdom of Julius Palmer 141. Guernsey Martyrdoms 142. Dungate, Foreman and Tree 143. Martyrdom of Joan Waste 144. Three Men of Bristol145. Martyrdom of Edward Sharpe 146. Four Burnt at Mayfield at Sussex 147. John Horne and a woman 148. Northampton Shoemaker 149. Prisoners Starved at Canterbury 150. More Persecution at Lichfield 151. Exhumations of Bucer and Phagius along with Peter Martyr's Wife152. Pole's Visitation Articles for Kent153. Ten Martyrs Burnt at Canterbury154. The 'Bloody Commission'155. Twenty-two Prisoners from Colchester156. Five Burnt at Smithfield157. Stephen Gratwick and others158. Edmund Allen and other martyrs159. Edmund Allen160. Alice Benden and other martyrs161. Richard Woodman and nine other martyrs162. Ambrose163. The Martyrdom of Simon Miller and Elizabeth Cooper164. Rose Allin and nine other Colchester Martyrs165. John Thurston166. Thomas More167. George Eagles168. Richard Crashfield169. Fryer and George Eagles' sister170. John Kurde171. Cicelye Ormes172. Joyce Lewes173. Rafe Allerton and others174. Agnes Bongeor and Margaret Thurston175. Persecution at Lichfield176. Persecution at Chichester177. Thomas Spurdance178. Hallingdale, Sparrow and Gibson179. John Rough and Margaret Mearing180. Cuthbert Simson181. William Nicholl182. Seaman, Carman and Hudson183. Three at Colchester184. A Royal Proclamation185. Roger Holland and other Islington martyrs186. Richard Yeoman187. John Alcocke188. Alcocke's Epistles189. Thomas Benbridge190. Stephen Cotton and other martyrs191. Alexander Gouch and Alice Driver192. Three at Bury193. The Final Five Martyrs194. William Living195. The King's Brief196. William Browne197. Some Persecuted at Suffolk198. Elizabeth Lawson199. Edward Grew200. The Persecuted of Norfolk201. The Persecuted of Essex202. Thomas Bryce203. The Persecuted in Kent204. The Persecuted in Coventry and the Exiles205. Thomas Parkinson206. The Scourged: Introduction207. Richard Wilmot and Thomas Fairfax208. Thomas Greene209. Bartlett Greene and Cotton210. Steven Cotton's Letter211. Scourging of John Milles212. Scourging of Thomas Hinshaw213. Robert Williams214. Bonner's Beating of Boys215. A Beggar of Salisbury216. John Fetty217. James Harris218. Providences: Introduction219. The Miraculously Preserved220. Christenmas and Wattes221. Simon Grinaeus222. John Glover223. Dabney224. Alexander Wimshurst225. Bosom's wife226. The Delivery of Moyse227. Lady Knevet228. Crosman's wife229. Congregation at Stoke in Suffolk230. Congregation of London231. Robert Cole232. Englishmen at Calais233. John Hunt and Richard White234. Punishments of Persecutors235. Tome 6 Life and Preservation of the Lady Elizabeth236. The Westminster Conference237. Nicholas Burton238. Another Martyrdom in Spain239. Baker and Burgate240. Burges and Hoker241. Justice Nine-Holes242. Back to the Appendix notes243. A Poor Woman of Exeter244. Those Burnt at Bristol: extra material245. Priest's Wife of Exeter246. Gertrude Crockhey
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that an inuisible creature, (as an Angell) cannot bee at one tyme in diuers places: wherefore he concluded that the body of Christ might not be in mo places than in one, whiche is in heauen, and so consequently, not to be conteyned in the sacrament of the altar. To this the Prolocutor tooke vpon hym to answere, saying that it was not true that Christe was lyke vnto vs in all pointes, as Philpot toke it, except syn: For that Christ was not conceiued by the sede of man, as we bee. MarginaliaWestō answereth wisely, I warrāt you & pythyly. To the whiche Philpot replied, that Christes conception was prophecied before by the Angell, to bee supernatural, but after he had receiued our nature, by the operation of the holy ghost, in the virgins wombe, he became after Wardes in all poyntes like vnto vs, except sin. Than MarginaliaMorgan.Morgā inferred that this saying of Paul did not plainly proue his purpose. Well, quod Philpot, I perceiue that you doe answere but by cauillation: yet am I not destitute of other scriptures to confirme my first argumente, although you refuse the probation of so auncient and catholike a Doctor, as Vigilius is. Sainte Peter in the Sermon that he made in the thyrd of the actes, making mention of Christe, sayth these wordes: whome heauen must receyue, vntyll the consummation of all thinges. &c. Which woordes are spoken of his humanitie. If heauen muste holde Christe, than can he not bee here on earth in the sacrament as is pretended. Than Morgan, laughing at this, and geuynge no direct aunswer at all, Harpsfield stoode vp, whiche is one of the Bishop of Londons chapleins, and tooke vpon him to aunswere to the saying of saint Peter, and demaunded of Philpot whether he would necessitate, that is, of necessitie force Christ to any place or no? Philpot sayd that he would no otherwyse force Christe of necessitie to any place, than he is taughet by the words of the holy ghost, which sound thus: that Christes humane body, must abide in heauen, vntill the day of iudgement, as I rehearsed out of the chapter before mentioned. Why, quod MarginaliaHarpsfield Harpsfield, doe you not know þt Christ is God omnipotēt? yes, said Philpot, I know þt righte wel, neither dout I any thing at al of his omnipotēcy. but of Christs omnipotēcy what he may dooe is not oure question, but rather what he doth. I know he may make a stone in the wal, a mā, if he list, & also þt he may make mo worlds: but doth he therfore so? It wer no good cōsequēt so to cōclude: he may do this or that, therfore he doth it. We must beleue so muche of his omnipotency, as he by his word hath declared & taught vs: but by his word he hath taught vs that the heauens must receiue his body, vntill the daye of Dome: therefore we ought so to beleue.  

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Philpot said: 'we must byleve so moch of his [God's] omnipotency as he by his word hath declared and taught us that the heavens must receyve his body vntill the daie of dome therfor we ought to bileve' (Trew report, sig. E2v; 1563, p. 915). Foxe made Philpot's argument more explicit and recast it as a syllogism: 'Only so much is to bee beleved of Gods omnipotence as is in the word expressed. That Christs body is both in heaven and here also really in the Sacrament is not expressed in the worde, Ergo, It is not to be beleved that the body of Christ being in heaven is here also really in the Sacrament' (1570, p. 1578; 1576, p. 1346; and 1583, p. 1416).

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And, where Philpot in answer to a scriptural passage which John Harpsfield had cited to rebut his arguments, declared 'the places were not like which he [Harpsfield] went about to compare, which thing ought to be observed in conferring of wordes or scriptures together' (Trew report, sigs. E2v-E3r; 1563, p. 915). Foxe's version reads: 'the places were not alike whych he went about to compare, and that in comparing Scriptures we must not consider the named wordes, but the meaning rather of the Scriptures' (1570, p. 1578; 1576, p. 1346; and 1583, p. 1417).

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Why quod the MarginaliaWeston. Prolocutor, than you wyll put Christ in prison in heauen. To the whiche Philpot answered: doe you recken heauen to be a prison? God grant vs al to come that prison. After this Harpsfield inferred that this word (oportet) in s. Peter, which did signify in English, (muste) did not import so much as I would inferre of necessitie, as by other places of scripture it may appeare, where (oportet) is as well as there: as in the first to Timothie where Paule sayth, (oportet episcopum esse vnius vxoris virum) a Byshoppe muste bee the husbande of one wyfe. here quod he, (oportet muste.) dothe not importe suche a necessitye, but that he that neuer was maryed maye bee a Byshoppe. To this Philpot sayde

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agayne that the places were not like whiche he went about to compare. Whiche thynge oughte specially to be obserued, in conferryng of wordes, or scriptures together For that in þe place by hym alledged, sainte Paule dothe declare of what qualitie a Byshop ought to be. But in the other, saynt Peter teacheth vs the place where Christ must necessarily be vntill the ende of the worlde, whiche we ought to beleue to be true. And this comparison of this woorde (oportet) dothe no more aunswere mine argument, than yf I would say of you now beyng here (oportet te hic esse) you muste nedes be here: whiche importeth suche necesitye for the tyme, that you can none otherwyse bee but here, and yet you woulde goe about in wordes to auoyde this necessitie with an other (oportet) or another (must) in an other sentence, as this, (oportet te esse virum bonum) you muste bee a good man: Where (oportet) dothe not in very dede conclude any such necessitie, but that you may be an euyl man. Thus you maye see that your aunswere is not sufficient, and as it were no aunswere to my argumente Than the Prolocutor brought in an other (oportet) to helpe this matter yf it might be saying: what say you to this (oportet hæreses esse) must heresyes nedes be, therfore because of this woorde oportet? no truely, quod Philpot, it can not otherwyse be, yf you wyll adde that whiche foloweth immediately vpon those woordes of Paule, that is (et qui electi sunt manifestentur) that is, that suche as be the elect of God, may be manifested and knowen. MarginaliaThe Prolocutor and Philpot. Why, quod the Prolocutor, the time hath bene, that no heresies were. I know no suche time, quod Philpot. for since the time of Abel and Cayn, heresies haue bene, and than began they. Than said the Prolocutor, wil you now answer Morgan an argumēt or two? I wil, quod Philpot, yf I may first be aunswered of mine argument any thing accordynge to truthe and to learning. What, quod the Prolocutor, you wil neuer be answered. Howe I am answered, quod Philpot, let al mē that are here present iudge: and specially such as be learned, & with what cauillations you haue dalied with me.

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Fyrste to the aunciente authoritye of Vigilius, you haue aunswered nothing at all, but only denying it to be scripture, that he sayth. Secondarily, to the saying of saint Peter in the actes ye haue answered thus, demaunding of me whether I would kepe Christe in prison or no. Let al men now iudge, if this be a sufficient answer or no. Than stode MarginaliaMorgan.Morgan vp againe and axed Philpot whether he would be ruled by the vniuersall churche or no? Yes, quod he, yf it bee the true catholike churche. And sithe you speake so muche of the Churche, I would fayne that you woulde declare what the churche is. MarginaliaThe Church. The Churche, quod Morgan, is diffused, and dyspersed throughoute the whole worlde. That is a diffuse definition, quod Phylpot: for I am yet as vncertayne, as I was before, what you meane by the Churche. But I knowlege no Churche, but that whiche is grounded and founded on Goddes woorde, as Saint Paule sayeth: vppon the foundation of the Prophetes and Apostles, and vppon the Scriptures of God. What, quod Moreman, was the Scrypture before the Churche? yea, quod Phylyot. But I wyll proue nay quod Moreman, and I wil beginne at Christes time. MarginaliaMoreman & Philpot.

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