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K. Hen. 8. The examination of Iames Bainham.

doth preach and teach the word of God, & that before that time, men did preach but onely: that folkes should beleue as the churche did beleue, and then if the Church erred, men should erre to. Howbeit the church sayd he, of Christ can not erre: MarginaliaTwo Churches.& that there were 2. Churches, that is, the Church of Christ militant, and the Church of Antechrist, and that this church of Antechrist may & doth erre, but the Church of Christ doth not.

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7. Seuenthly, whether he knew any person that dyed in the true fayth of Christ, since the Apostles time.

MarginaliaAunswere.He sayd: He knew Bayfild, and thought that he dyed, in the true fayth of Christ.

8. Eightly, he was asked what he thought of Purgatory and of vowes.

MarginaliaAunswere.He aunswered: If any such thing had bene moued to Saynct Paule of Purgatory MarginaliaPurgatorye. after this life, he thought S. Paule would haue condemnede it for an heresy. And when hee heard M. Crome preach and say, that he thought there was a Purgatory after this life, he thought in his minde, that the sayd M. Crome lyed, MarginaliaCrome belyke was now slipte froū that he had before taughte. & spake against his conscience, and that there was a hundreth moe, which thought the same as he did: saying moreouer that he had seene the confession of M. Crome in print, God wot a very foolish thing, as he iudged.

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MarginaliaVowes.And as concerning vowes, he graunted that there was lawfull vowes as Ananias vowed Act. 5. for it was in his owne power, whether he woulde haue solde his possession or not, & therefore he did offend. But vowes of chastity, and all godlynesse is geuen of God by his aboundant grace, the which no man of himself can keep, but it must be geuē of God. And therfore a Monke, Frier, or Nunne, that haue vowed the vowes of Religion, if they thinke, after theyr vowes made, that they can not keep theyr promises that they made at Baptisme, they may go forth and mary, so that they keepe after theyr mariage, the promise that they made at Baptisme. And finally he concluded, that he thought there were no other vowes, but onely the vow of Baptisme.

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9. Ninthly, he was demaunded whether Luther beyng a Frier, & taking a Nunne out of religion, & afterward marying her, did well or no, and what he thought therein.

MarginaliaAunswere.He aunswered: That he thought nothing. And when they asked him, whether it was lechery or no. He made aunswere he could not say so.

As concerning the Sacrament of anneling, being willed to say his minde.

MarginaliaAunswere.He aunswered & sayd: MarginaliaExtreme vnctiō.It was but a ceremony, neither dyd he wotte what a man should be the better for such an oyling and annoynting The best was, that some good prayers he saw to bee sayd thereat.

MarginaliaAunswere.Likewise, touching the Sacrament of Baptisme, hys wordes were these.

MarginaliaThe sacrament of Baptisme.That as many as repent, and do on them Christ, shalbe saued: that is, as many as die concerning sinne, shall liue by fayth wyth Christ. Therefore it is not we that liue after that, but Christ in vs. And so whether we liue, or dye, we are Gods by adoption, & not by the water onely, but by water and fayth: that is by keping the promise made For ye are kept by grace and fayth, sayth S. Paule, & that not of your selfe: for it is the gift of God.

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He was asked moreouer of matrimony, whether it was a Sacrament or not, and whether it conferreth grace, being commaunded in the old law, and not yet taken away.

MarginaliaAunswere.His answere was: that Matrimony MarginaliaMatrimony. is an order or law, that the Church of Christ hath made, and ordeined, by the which menne may take to them women and sinne not.

Lastly, for his bookes of scripture, & for his iudgemēt of Tindall, because he was vrged to cōfesse the troth, he sayd: MarginaliaAunswere.That he had the new Testament translated into the English toūg by Tindall, within this moneth, and thought he offēded not God in vsing and keeping the same, MarginaliaReading of bookes forbiddē.notwithstanding that he knewe the kinges proclamation to the contrary, and that it was prohibited in the name of the Church at Paules crosse. But for all that hee thought the word of God had not forbid it: confessing moreouer, that he had in his keeping within this moneth, these bookes: the wicked Mammon, the obedience of a Christen man, the practise of Prelates, the aunswere of Tindall to Tho. Mores Dialogue 

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These are all works by William Tyndale.

, the booke of Frith agaynst Purgatory, the Epistle of George Gee, aliâs George Clerke 
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This is George Joye, the evangelical author.

: adding furthermore, that in all these bookes he neuer saw any errors And if there were any such in them, then if they were corrected, it were good that the people had the sayde bookes. And as concerning the newe Testament in Englishe, he thought it vtterly good, and that the people should haue it, as it is. Neither did he euer know (sayde he) that Tindall was a noughtye felow. And to these answeres he subscribed his name. This examination (as is sayd) was the 15. day of December.

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MarginaliaM. Baynhā submitteth himself.The next day folowing, which was the 16. day of December, the sayd Iames Bainham appeared agayn before the Bishop of London, in the foresayd place of Syr Thomas More at Chelsey, where, after the guise and forme of theyr proceedinges, first his former Articles with his aunsweres were agayn repeated, and his hand brought forth. Which done, they asked him whether he would persiste inthat which he had said, or els would returne to the Catholicke Church from whence he was fallen, and to the which he might be yet receiued, as they said: adding moreouer many fayre intising & alluring wordes, that he would reconcile himself, saying the time was yet that he might be receiued: the bosome of his mother was open for him. Otherwise if he would continue stubbern, there was no remedy.

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Now was the time either to saue, or els vtterly to cast himselfe away. Which of these wayes he would take, the case present now required a present aunswere, for else the sentence definitiue was there ready to be read. &c.

MarginaliaEx Regist. Lond.To conclude lōg matter in few words, Bainhā wauering in a doubtfull perplexity betwene life on þe one hand, & death on þe other, at lēgth geuing ouer to the aduersaries, gaue answere vnto thē that he was cōtēted to submit himself, in those things wherin he had offēded, excusing that he was deceiued by ignorāce. Thē þe bishop requiring him to say his mind plainely of his answeres aboue declared demaūded what he thought therof, whether they were true, or no.

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To this Bainham sayd, that it was to high for him to iudge. And then being asked of the Bishop, whether there was any Purgatory, he aunswered, and sayd: he could not beleue that there was any Purgatory after this life.

Vpon other Articles being examined and demaunded, he graūted as foloweth: That he could not iudge whether Bayfild dyed in the true fayth of Christ or no. That a man making a vowe, can not breake it without deadly sinne. That a Prieste promising to liue chaste, may not mary a wife. That he thinketh the Apostles to be in heauen. That Luther did nought in marying a Nunne. That a childe is the better for confyrmation. That it is an offence to God, if any man keepe bookes prohibited by the Church, the pope, the Bishop, or the King, and sayde that he pondered those poyntes more now, then he did before. &c.

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Vpon these aunsweres the Bishop thinking to keepe him in safe custody, to further triall, committed him to one of the Counters. 

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There were two prisons known as the Compter in London: one on Wood Street, the other on Poultry Street.

MarginaliaAnno. 1532.The time thus passing on, which bringeth all thinges to theyr end, in the month of Febr. next folowing in þe yere of our Lord 1532. the foresayd I. Bainham was called for again to the bishops Cōsistory, MarginaliaBaynham agayne brought before the Byshops Chaūcellor. before his Vicar general, & other his assistance: to whō Foxford the bishops Chaūcellor recited again his articles & answeres aboue mētioned, protesting that he intēded not to receiue him to þe vnity of þe holy mother church, vnlesse he knew the said Bainhā to be returned again purely & vnfaynedly to the catholick faith, and to submit himlelfe penitently to the iudgement of the Church. To whom Bainham spake in this effect, saying that he hath and doth beleue the holy Church, and holdeth the fayth of the holy mother the Catholicke Church.

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Wherunto the Chaūcellor offring to him a Bill of hys abiuratiō, after þe forme of þe Popes church cōceiued, required him to read it. Who was cōtented & read to þe clause of þe abiuratiō, cōteining these words: I voluntarily, as a true penitēt persō returned frō my heresies, vtterly abiure. &c. & there he staid & would read no farther, saying þt he knew not þe articles cōteined in his abiuratiō to be heresy, therefore he could not see why he should refuse thē. Which done, þe Chaūcellor proceded to the reading of this sētēce definitiue, cōming to þe place of this sentēce: þe doctrine & determinatiō of the church. &c. & there paused, saying he would reserue þe rest till he saw his time. Whō then Bainhā desired to be good vnto him, affirming that he did acknowledge þt there was a Purgatory: that þe soules of the apostles were in heauen. &c. Then began he agayne to read the sentence but Bainham agayne desired him to be good vnto him. Wherupon he ceased the sentence, & sayd that he would accept this his confession for that time as sufficient.

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So Bainhā for that present was returned to his prison agayne. Who then the 5. day after, which was the 8. day of February, appeared as before, MarginaliaBaynham agayne brought to the Consistorye. in the consistory. Whom the foresayd Chauncellor repeating agayne his articles & answeres, asked if he would abiure and submit himself: who aunswered that he would submitte himselfe, and as a good Christian man should. Agayne the Chauncellor the second time asked if he woulde abiure. I will (sayd he) forsake all my Articles, and will meddle no more with them, & so being commaunded to lay his handes vpon the booke, read his abiuration opēly. After þe reading wherof he burst out into these wordes, saying, MarginaliaBaynham loth to abiure.that because there were many wordes in the sayd abiuration, which he thought obscure & difficile, he protested that by his oth he intended not to go from such defence, which he might haue had before his oth. Which done þe Chaūcellor asked him why he made that protestation? Bainhā said, for feare least any man of ill will do accuse me hereafter. Thē þe Chaūcellor taking þe definitiue, sentēce in his hand, disposing himself (as appeared) to read

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