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1. Preface to Rubric 2. The Rubric 3. Mary's First Moves 4. The Inhibition5. Bourne's Sermon 6. The True Report7. The Precept to Bonner 8. Anno 15549. From 'The Communication' to 'A Monition' 10. Bonner's Monition11. Mary's Articles for Bonner 12. The Articles 13. From Mary's Proclamation to the 'Stile'14. From the 'Stile' to the 'Communication' 15. The 'Communication' 16. How Thomas Cranmer ... 17. Cranmer18. Ridley 19. Latimer20. Harpsfield's Forme 21. 1563's Disputational Digest22. Political Events up to Suffolk's Death 23. Between Mantell and the Preacher's Declaration 24. The Declaration of Bradford et al 25. May 19 to August 1 26. August 1 - September 3 27. From Bonner's Mandate to Pole's Oration 28. Winchester's Sermon to Bonner's Visitation 29. Pole's Oration 30. From the Supplication to Gardiner's Sermon 31. From Gardiner's Sermon to 1555 32. From the Arrest of Rose to Hooper's Letter 33. Hooper's Answer and Letter 34. To the End of Book X 35. The Martyrdom of Rogers 36. The Martyrdom of Saunders 37. Saunders' Letters 38. Hooper's Martyrdom 39. Hooper's Letters 40. Rowland Taylor's Martyrdom 41. Becket's Image and other events 42. Miles Coverdale and the Denmark Letters 43. Bonner and Reconciliation 44. Robert Farrar's Martyrdom 45. The Martyrdom of Thomas Tomkins 46. The Martyrdom of Rawlins/Rowland White47. The Martyrdom of Higbed and Causton 48. The Martyrdom of William Hunter 49. The Martyrdom of Pigot, Knight and Laurence 50. Judge Hales 51. The Providential Death of the Parson of Arundel 52. The Martyrdom of John Awcocke 53. The Martyrdom of George Marsh 54. The Letters of George Marsh 55. The Martyrdom of William Flower 56. Mary's False Pregnancy57. The Martyrdom of Cardmaker and Warne 58. John Tooly 59. The Examination of Robert Bromley [nb This is part of the Tooly affair]60. Censorship Proclamation 61. The Martyrdom of Thomas Haukes 62. Letters of Haukes 63. The Martyrdom of Thomas Watts 64. Martyrdom of Osmund, Bamford, Osborne and Chamberlain65. The Martyrdom of Ardley and Simpson 66. The Martyrdom of John Bradford 67. Bradford's Letters 68. William Minge 69. The Martyrdom of John Bland 70. The Martyrdom of Frankesh, Middleton and Sheterden 71. Sheterden's Letters 72. Martyrdom of Carver and Launder 73. Martyrdom of Thomas Iveson 74. John Aleworth 75. Martyrdom of James Abbes 76. Martyrdom of Denley, Newman and Pacingham 77. Examinations of Hall, Wade and Polley 78. Richard Hooke 79. Martyrdom of William Coker, et al 80. Martyrdom of George Tankerfield, et al 81. Martyrdom and Letters of Robert Smith 82. Martyrdom of Harwood and Fust 83. Martyrdom of William Haile 84. Examination of John Newman 85. Martyrdom of Robert Samuel 86. George King, Thomas Leyes and John Wade 87. William Andrew 88. William Allen 89. Martyrdom of Thomas Cobb 90. Martyrdom of Roger Coo 91. Martyrdom of Catmer, Streater, Burwood, Brodbridge, Tutty 92. Martyrdom of Hayward and Goreway 93. Martyrdom and Letters of Robert Glover 94. John and William Glover 95. Cornelius Bungey 96. Martyrdom of Wolsey and Pigot 97. Life and Character of Nicholas Ridley 98. Ridley and Latimer's Conference 99. Ridley's Letters 100. Life of Hugh Latimer 101. Latimer's Letters 102. Ridley and Latimer Re-examined and Executed103. More Letters of Ridley 104. Life and Death of Stephen Gardiner 105. Martyrdom of Webb, Roper and Park 106. William Wiseman 107. Examinations and Martyrdom of John Philpot 108. John Went 109. Isobel Foster 110. Joan Lashford 111. Five Canterbury Martyrs 112. Life and Martyrdom of Cranmer 113. Letters of Cranmer 114. Martyrdom of Agnes Potten and Joan Trunchfield 115. Persecution in Salisbury Maundrell, Coberly and Spicer 116. William Tyms, et al 117. The Norfolk Supplication 118. Letters of Tyms 119. John Hullier's Execution120. John Hullier 121. Christopher Lister and five other martyrs 122. Hugh Lauerocke and John Apprice 123. Katherine Hut, Elizabeth Thacknell, et al 124. Martyrdom of John Harpole and Joan Beach 125. Thomas Drury and Thomas Croker 126. Thomas Spicer, John Deny and Edmund Poole 127. Thomas Rede128. Persecution of Winson and Mendlesam 129. William Slech 130. Avington Read, et al 131. Wood and Miles 132. Adherall and Clement 133. A Merchant's Servant Executed at Leicester 134. Thirteen Burnt at Stratford-le-Bow135. Persecution in Lichfield 136. Hunt, Norrice, Parret 137. Martyrdom of Bernard, Lawson and Foster 138. John Careless 139. Letters of John Careless 140. Martyrdom of Julius Palmer 141. Guernsey Martyrdoms 142. Dungate, Foreman and Tree 143. Martyrdom of Joan Waste 144. Three Men of Bristol145. Martyrdom of Edward Sharpe 146. Four Burnt at Mayfield at Sussex 147. John Horne and a woman 148. Northampton Shoemaker 149. Prisoners Starved at Canterbury 150. More Persecution at Lichfield 151. Exhumations of Bucer and Phagius along with Peter Martyr's Wife152. Pole's Visitation Articles for Kent153. Ten Martyrs Burnt at Canterbury154. The 'Bloody Commission'155. Twenty-two Prisoners from Colchester156. Five Burnt at Smithfield157. Stephen Gratwick and others158. Edmund Allen and other martyrs159. Edmund Allen160. Alice Benden and other martyrs161. Richard Woodman and nine other martyrs162. Ambrose163. The Martyrdom of Simon Miller and Elizabeth Cooper164. Rose Allin and nine other Colchester Martyrs165. John Thurston166. Thomas More167. George Eagles168. Richard Crashfield169. Fryer and George Eagles' sister170. John Kurde171. Cicelye Ormes172. Joyce Lewes173. Rafe Allerton and others174. Agnes Bongeor and Margaret Thurston175. Persecution at Lichfield176. Persecution at Chichester177. Thomas Spurdance178. Hallingdale, Sparrow and Gibson179. John Rough and Margaret Mearing180. Cuthbert Simson181. William Nicholl182. Seaman, Carman and Hudson183. Three at Colchester184. A Royal Proclamation185. Roger Holland and other Islington martyrs186. Richard Yeoman187. John Alcocke188. Alcocke's Epistles189. Thomas Benbridge190. Stephen Cotton and other martyrs191. Alexander Gouch and Alice Driver192. Three at Bury193. The Final Five Martyrs194. William Living195. The King's Brief196. William Browne197. Some Persecuted at Suffolk198. Elizabeth Lawson199. Edward Grew200. The Persecuted of Norfolk201. The Persecuted of Essex202. Thomas Bryce203. The Persecuted in Kent204. The Persecuted in Coventry and the Exiles205. Thomas Parkinson206. The Scourged: Introduction207. Richard Wilmot and Thomas Fairfax208. Thomas Greene209. Bartlett Greene and Cotton210. Steven Cotton's Letter211. Scourging of John Milles212. Scourging of Thomas Hinshaw213. Robert Williams214. Bonner's Beating of Boys215. A Beggar of Salisbury216. John Fetty217. James Harris218. Providences: Introduction219. The Miraculously Preserved220. Christenmas and Wattes221. Simon Grinaeus222. John Glover223. Dabney224. Alexander Wimshurst225. Bosom's wife226. The Delivery of Moyse227. Lady Knevet228. Crosman's wife229. Congregation at Stoke in Suffolk230. Congregation of London231. Robert Cole232. Englishmen at Calais233. John Hunt and Richard White234. Punishments of Persecutors235. Tome 6 Life and Preservation of the Lady Elizabeth236. The Westminster Conference237. Nicholas Burton238. Another Martyrdom in Spain239. Baker and Burgate240. Burges and Hoker241. Justice Nine-Holes242. Back to the Appendix notes243. A Poor Woman of Exeter244. Those Burnt at Bristol: extra material245. Priest's Wife of Exeter246. Gertrude Crockhey
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and to haue him present in the sacrament.

There saint Augustine speaketh of holdyng him by faith, as he is fauorable vnto vs.

west. Nay, he speaketh there how the fathers had him in the fleshe, & teacheth that we haue him not so in fleshe, as they had hym lōg time, saying: your fathers did kepe Christ presēt in the flesh dooe ye keepe hym in your hearte. What woordes can be more playner? Farther he sayth: he is gone and is not here: he hath lefte vs, and yet hath not forsakē vs. Hic est maiestate, abiit carne He is here in maiestye, and gone touchyng the fleshe.

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Harps. I dooe vnderstand Austine thus: that Christe is here in his fleshe to them that receyue hym worthelye: to such as doe not wothely receyue hym, to them he is not presente in the fleshe. I iudge saincte Augustine meaneth so. Wee haue hym, and not haue him: we haue him in receiuyng of hym worthely, otherwyse not.

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VVest. Naye: Tenere carnem est tenere corticem literæ: I wyl prosecute an other argument. Cirillus doth say: by the maiestie of his dyuinitie, he is euer here, but the presence of hys fleshe he hath taken away.

Harps. This sense of Cirill is thus to be vnderstanded: The moste true fleshe of Christe is at the ryght hande of the father. Thus the Fathers taught, and so they beleued. Thus sayde Cirill: thus sayde Austine: and because this is the foundation of oure fayeth, they dyd oftentymes teache it. Therefore, when they proue this, (the bodye to be in heauen) they dooe not make agaynste the presence in the sacramente. So vnlesse ye can plainely shewe, that the fathers doe directly saye, he is not in the sacramente, you make nothing againste me. For I haue shewed why the fathers so spake. They did teache the great difference betwene the diuine nature and the humane nature, as I haue before saide.

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west. I wil then proue that he is not in the sacrament. Vigilius against the Heretike Eutiches, vpon these wordes, me autem non semper habebitis, saith: the sonne of God, as touchynge his humanitie is gone from vs. By his diuinitie he remaineth with vs: and that same Vigilius in his fourth booke sayeth: he that is in the Heauen, is not in the Earth, speakynge of Christ.

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Harps. I will shewe you the reason of these wordes: the heretike Eutiches did beleue that the diuine nature of Christ was fastned on the crosse, and beleued that Christ had no naturall body. To this Vigilius saide, that the humane nature was taken vp, & ascended, which could not so haue done, vnlesse he had hadde a bodie. This he said not, to take away the presence in the sacrament? For what had he to referre this sentence to the sacramēt. He neuer did somuch as dreame of the sacrament.

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west. Ciril saith: although he be absent from vs in bodye, yet are wee gouerned by his spirite.

Harp. By these woordes he gaue vs a cherefulnesse, taspyre vpwardes, seking therehence our helpe. For as touchinge his conuersation, he is not so in the sacrament, as one mete to be liued withall. But let him teache vs that he is not there to fede vs: for after that sort he is there.

west. You haue satisfied me with youre aunswers, in doing the same learnedly, and catholickely. But nowe to an other argument.

Christ is now so absent from the earth by his body, as he was absent from heauen, when he liued here.

But whan he did liue bodelye on earth, the same naturall bodye was out of heauen.

Ergo nowe whiles hys naturall bodye is in heauen, it is not on earth.

Harps. I deny the maior.

west. Fulgentius ad Trasmūdū regem Lib. 2. saith secūdum humanam substātiam absens erat cœlo, cum descendit de cœlo. These are Fulgentius words touching his humane substance. He was absēt from heauen when he descended from heauen: and touching the same substance, now he is in heauen, he is not on the earth: but concernyng the diuine nature, he neuer forsooke, neyther heauen nor earth.

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☞ After these wordes, not waytyng his aunswer, he offred mayster Cranmer to dispute, who began in this wise.

Cran. I haue heard you ryght learnedly and eloquētly entreate of the dignitie of the scriptures, which I do both commend, & haue marueiled therat within my self. But wheras you referre the true sense and iudgemente of the scriptures to the catholike churche, as iudge, ye cannot easily appoynt the same: chiefely for that you dooe attribute that name to thē, who haue corruptly iudged, and contrarye to the sense of the scriptures. I wōder lykewyse why you gaue so litle place to the diligent readyng of the scriptures, and conferring of places, to þe which the scriptures doth attribute somuch, as well in diuers other places, as also in those same, whiche you youre selfe haue alreadye alledged. And this your opinion of these questyons, hath not hadde his ground of Christe, eyther of the begynnynge of the Churche: and to saye the truthe, scholemen haue spoken diuersely of them, and doe not agree vpon them amonge themselues. Wherefore I mynde to shewe my iudgemente with a fewe argumentes, fyrste desyrous to knowe youre mynde in a fewe questions, by the aunsweryng whereof, we shal haue a readier waye vnto these our disputations.

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I shall desyre you to beare with my rudenes in the Latin tongue, whiche for want of excercise, is not so readye as I wyshe. And all other

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