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that mens traditions, as fastinges, pardones, feastes, long praiers, peregrinations and such like, are to be reiected.

Extreame vnction and confirmation to be reproued, confession and satisfaction to be reprehended. The primacy of the pope also he affirmed to be nothing. Certaine other articles also, were gathered out of him, by his aduersaries, but in such sort, that they may seme rather to follow ther owne malicious gathering, thē their trew iutelligence of his minde. Wherof more is to be vnderstanded in this proces herafter. Thus, this Weselia being commaūded to appeare, ther conuented to gether first the Archbishop, the inquisitor, the doctores of Colen and the doctores of Hedelberge, with the maisters of the same, and the Rector of the vniuersity of Mentz, the deane of faculties, Bachelers of deuinity, and many other maisters of the same vniuersity, Canones, doctoures, wt the bishoppes Chaunceller and his councellers, besides many religions Prelates, scholers with a doctor of Franckfort, Fiscalis, and bedelles, which all mette to gether in the great hall of the minorites, for the examination of this doctor de Wesalia.

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The Inquisitor first sitteth in the highest place, then after him others according to their degree. In the beginning of the examination, firste the Inquisitour beginneth with these woordes: Most reuerent father and honorable doctoures &c. Our reuerent father and Prince Elector hath caused this present cōuocation to be called, to here the examination of maister Iohn de Wesalia, in certain suspected articles concerninge the Catholicke faythe. But some thing I will say before, that may do him good, and desire, that two or thre of them that fauor him or some other, wil rise vp & geue him coūsell, to forsake and leaue his errores, to recognise himselfe, and to aske pardone, which if he wil do, he shal haue pardone: If he wil not, we will proceade against him without pardone. and thus Veselianus being cited and brought in the midst betwixt to minorits, being very aged and hauing a staffe in his hand, was sette before the inquisitor. Who beginning to aunswere for hym selfe with a longe protestation could not be suffred to prosecute hys oration, but was cut of and required briefly, to make an end, and to tell thē in few wordes whether he would stand to his opinions, or to the determination of the church. To this he aunswered that he neuer spake any thing a gainst the determination of the church, but said t he had written dyuers and sondry treatises, in the which if he had erred, or were found to say otherwise then well, he was content to reuoke & cal backe, & do al things that was requisite, then saide the inquisitour: Do you aske thenpardon? The other aunswered, why shoulde I aske pardon, when I knowe no cryme or errour committed? The Inquisitour sayde: we wyll well call you to the remembraunce therof, and proceade to the examination. In the meane tyme, others called vpon hym instantly to aske pardon. Then sayde Wesellianus, I aske pardon, notwithstāding the Inquisitour proceaded to the examinatiō, reading ther two instrumentes declaryng, that he had auctoritie from the Apostolike Sea, after this cyted the sayde Iohn to appeare to his examination.

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Thirdly cōmaunded hym vnder payn of obedience, in the vertue of obeying e holy ghoste, & vnder paine of excōmunication of the greater curse, Marginaliawhat is the Popes greter curse. (frō e which no man could absolue him but only the Pope or the Inquisitour) excepte only at the point of death, to tell plainely the truthe, vpon suche thinges as shalbe demaunded hym concerning his fayth, without ambages and sophistication of wordes.

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And so being demaunded firste, whether he did beleue vpon his othe taken, that he was bounde to tell the truthe, although it were against hym selfe or anye other. To this he answered, MarginaliaScio.Scio, that is: I know. Then the Inquisitour biddeth him saie, MarginaliaCredo.Credo, that is: I beleue. To the whiche he aunswered againe, what nede I saye that I beleue that thyng I know. There the Inquisitour somthing stirred with the matter, as hotte as a toste (as they saye) cried out with a loude voyce maister Ioannes, maister Ioannes, maister Ioannes, say Credo, saye Credo. Then he aunswered Credo.

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After this, being demaunded whether he had wrytten any treatyse, concerning the bynding of humaine lawes, to one Nicolas of Boheme, and whether he had wrytten any treatyse of the ecclesiasticall power of indulgences and pardons, and of fasting and other treatises: He beleued that he hadde so wrytten, and had conferred with diuerse learned men. Also that he hadde sent to the byshop of Wormes, a certaine treatise of fasting.

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Many other interrogatories were ministred vnto him, wherof some were vaine, some false. Such as wer more principall, here we will briefly touch, leauing out superfluytyes.

Being demanded whether he was a fautor or a bishop of the Bohemiās, he said he was not. Also being demanded, cōcerning the sacramēt of the holy body and bloud of our Lord, whether he thought Christ their to be conteyned really, or only diuinly, and whether he did beleue in the sayde sacramente, the substance of bread ther to remain, or only the forme therof. To this he aunswered, not denieng but the body of Christe was there really conteined, and also with the body of Christ the substance of bread to remaine.

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