Navigate the 1563 Edition
PrefaceBook 1Book 2Book 3Book 4Book 5
Critical Apparatus for this Page
None
Names and Places on this Page
Unavailable for this Edition
587 [531]

Then the king, with an angry voyce, interupting his oration, saide: I came not hether to here myne owne prayses thus painted out in my presens, but briefly go to the matter without any more circumstance. This he spake in Latten.

But Lambert beinge abashed at the kinges angry wordes, contrary to all mennes expectacion, stayd a while: Considering whether he might tourn him selfe in these great straights and extremities: but the kinge being heddy wt anger and vehemency, sayd: why standest thou still? Aunswere as touching the sacrament of the aultar, whether doest thou say that it is þe body of christ or deny it? And with that worde the king lifted vp his cappe. Lambert. I aunswer with saint Austine that it is the bodye of Christ after a certain manner. The king. Answer me nether out of s. Austin, nether bi thautoryty of any other, but tell me plainly, whether thou saiest it is the body of christ or no? These wordes the king spake againe in latten. Lambert. Then I deny it to be the bodye of christ. The king. Marke well, for now thou shalt be condempned euen by Christes owne wordes. Hoc est corpus meum. Then he commaunded Thomas Cranmer Archbishoppe of Caunterburye to refute his argumente, MarginaliaCranmer his reasonswho first makinge a shorte Preface vnto the hearers, beganne his disputation with Lamberte verye modestlye, sayinge: Brother Lambert, lette this matter be handled betwene vs indifferentlye, that if I doo conuince this your argumente to be false by the Scriptures, you wil willingly refuse the same, but if you shall proue it true by the manyfest testimonyes of the scripture, I do promise I will willinglye embrace the same.

[Back to Top]

MarginaliaThe arcbishops argument.The argument was this, taken out of that place of the Actes of the Apostles, where as Christ appered vnto saint Paule by the way: disputinge out of that place, that it is not disagreable to the word of God, that the bodye of Christe maye be in two places at ones, whiche beinge in heauen was sene vnto saint Paule the same time vpon earthe, and if it may be in two places, why not by the like reason maye it not be in many places?

[Back to Top]

In this manner the Archbishop beganne to refute the seconde argumente of Lambertes, whiche as we haue before saide, was written and deliuered by the saide Lambert vnto the preacher. For the king had firste disputed againste his first reason. MarginaliaLambertes aunswer to Cranmers obiection.Lambert aunsweared vnto this argument, sayinge that the minor was not there by proued, that Christes bodye to be dispearsed in twoo places or manye, but rather still in one place as touchinge the reason of his body.

[Back to Top]

For the scripture doth not say that Christ being vpon earth did speake vnto Paul but þtsodēly a light from heuē did shine roūd about him, & he fallinge to the ground hard a voice saying vnto him Saule Saule why dost thou persecute me? I am Iesus whome thou persecutest &c. MarginaliaActes. ix.Here this place doth nothing let but that Christ sitting in heauen might speak vnto Paule and bee heard vpon earth, for they which wer with Paule verely hard the voice, but did see no body. The Archbishoppe on the contrary part said, Paule him selfe dothe witnesse. Act. xxvi. that Christe did appeare vnto him in the same visyon.

[Back to Top]

But Lambert againe said, that Christe dyd witnes in the same place how that he woulde againe appeare vnto him, and deliuer him out of the hands of the gentiles, notwithstanding we read in no place that Christ did corporally appeare vnto him.

Thus they contending about the cōuersion of S. Paule and Lambert so answearinge for him self, that the king semed greatly to be moued therwith, the bishop that disputed to be entangled, and al thaudience amased. MarginaliaThe hastye impudency of the bishoppe of winchesterThen the bishop of Winchester, which was appoynted þe vi. place of the disputation, fearinge leaste the argument shuld be taken out of his mouth, or rather beinge drowned with malice agaynste the pore man withoute the kinges commaundement, obseruing no order, before the Archbishop had made an end, vnshamefastlye kneled downe to take in hand the disputation, and alleaged a place out of the xii. chapter to the Corinthians, where S. Paule saieth: haue not I sene Iesus: and againe in the xv. Chapter, he appeared vnto Cephas, and afterwarde vnto Iames, then to all the Apostles, but laste of al, he appeared vnto me as one borne out of due time. &c.

[Back to Top]

Here vnto Lambert aunsweared, he did nothinge doubte but that Christe was sene, and did appeare, but he did denye that he was in two or in diuers places, according to the manner of his bodye. Then Wynchester agayne, abusinge the authoritye of Paule, repeateth the place oute of the second Epistle to the Corrinthians and v. chapter. And if so be, we haue knowen Christe after the fleshe, nowe hence forthe knowe we him so no more &c. MarginaliaLambert answer to Winchesters cauillations.Lambert aunsweared that this knowledge is not to be vnderstanded accordinge to the sence of the body, and that it so appeared suffycientlye by S. Paule, whiche speakynge of his owne reuelation, sayeth thus. I knowe not whether in the bodye or wythoute the bodye, God knoweth, whiche beinge rapte into the thyrde heauen, I knowe not whether in the bodye or wythoute God knoweth. Wherby euen by the testimoni of s. Paul, a mā shal easely gather, þt in this reuelatiō he was taken vp in sprite into the heauens, & did se those thinges rather þt thē Christ cam down corporally frō heuē, to shew thē vn

[Back to Top]
to him. Es
CC.ii.
Go To Modern Page No:  
Click on this link to switch between the Modern pagination for this edition and Foxe's original pagination when searching for a page number. Note that the pagination displayed in the transcription is the modern pagination with Foxe's original pagination in square brackets.
Find:
Type a keyword and then restrict it to a particular edition using the dropdown menu. You can search for single words or phrases. When searching for single words, the search engine automatically imposes a wildcard at the end of the keyword in order to retrieve both whole and part words. For example, a search for "queen" will retrieve "queen", "queene" and "queenes" etc.
in:  
Humanities Research Institute  *  HRI Online  *  Feedback
Version 2.0 © 2011 The University of Sheffield