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K. Henry. 8. The aunsweres of Iohn Lambert, to the Byshops Articles.

then were gathered in a Councel saying: what shall we do? Truth it is, that this man Iesus doth manye miracles, and if we suffer him thus, all the world wil beleue him, whereupon the Romaines will come, and put vs out of Hierusalem our dwelling place, and destroye our nation. At whiche tyme Cayphas did arise, shewing forth his sentence, which the whole Councell dyd admitte. MarginaliaIohn. 11.

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MarginaliaAct. 5.In lyke wise is shewed Actes. v. where in a Councell the Byshoppes and Priestes assembled to knowe what punishment shoulde bee done vnto Christes Apostles, for because they preached in þe name of Christ, contrary to the precept of them (for they before hadde cōmaunded þe Apostles no more to speake in Christes name) there amonge a shrewde multitude of them, gathered together, dyd arise a certayne wise man, called Gamaliel (a pitifull thyng verely to see but one good man in such a great conuocation or Councel of priests, that shoulde be the lightes of vertue to all the people) MarginaliaGamaliell & Doct. Collet compared together.which Gamaliel was a doctour of the lawe, and had in good reputation amonge the people: much like he was (as seemed to me) to Doct. Collet sometyme Deane of Paules at London, whyle he lyued. I maye come no neere for to name some other of our tyme, lest I should be thought offensiue. This Gamaliell dyd bid the Apostles to go aside, for a while, out of the Councell or conuocation house, and so hee spake vnto the other priestes or bishoppes in the Councell thus: MarginaliaThe coūsell of Gamaliell to the Phariseis.You men (quod he) of Israell, take heede to youre selues what you shall do vppon these men the Apostles: For afore this tyme haue rysen one called Teudas, and after him an other named Iudas of Galilee, which haue turned the people after thē: and in conclusion they perished, and all they that followed after them vanished away. And now (quod he) I say vnto you, refrayne from hurting these men, the Apostles, and let them alone, or suffer them. For if this enterprise and worke that they haue made, bee of men, vndoubtedly it shall perishe, and bee fordone: but if (quod he) it be of God, you can not fordoe it. And this I tell you (sayd Gamaliell) lest you should be found to striue and fight agaynst God.

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Vnto this sentence of Gamaliel did all the other of the conuocation and parlament agree, and so they called in the Apostles of Christ afore them, causinge them to be scourged and charginge them, no more after to preach of Christes name, and so did lette them departe. MarginaliaCouncells goe not alwayes ryght.This was vndoubtedlye done in the time of our Sauiour and of hys Apostles, and caused to bee written for our comfort and learning: For the holy ghost knew afore, that lyke practise shoulde come in this latter tyme of þe world, which we are in. MarginaliaCouncels may and doe erre.Wherby you may clearly see, that Councells do not alway decerne with Christ, but somtyme they may do agaynst hym. And therfore sayd Dauid: Non sedi cum consilio vanitatis, & cum iniquè agentibus non introibo. Odiui Ecclesiam malignātium, & cum impijs non sedebo: sed lauabo inter innocentes manus meas. &c. MarginaliaPsal. 26.I did not (quod Dauid) sitte with the assemblie or Councell of vaine doers, or liers, and I will not go in amonges them that worke iniquitye: for I hate the conuocation of them, that are malicious or maligners, and amongs the wicked will not I sitte: But I will washe my handes among innocentes. &c.

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Also, in an other Psalme he writeth thus: Dominus dissipat concilia gentium, reprobat concilia populorum, & concilia Principum: Conciliū autem Domini, inæternum manet. &c. MarginaliaPsal. 33.The Lorde (quod he) doth stroy or annihilate the Coūcell of the gentiles, he reproueth the councels of the people, and of the rulers. But the concell or deuise of the Lorde endureth euer, and the purpose of his mynde abideth into the world of worlds. For that purpose doth S. Peter in þe actes of þe Apostles alleage this verse out of the Psalme: Quare fremuerunt gentes. &c. MarginaliaPsal. 2.Why dyd the Gentiles rage, and the people imagine vayne thinges. &c. Like vnto this is written Esaye. 1. MarginaliaEsa. 1.Also you may see in the Coūcels of the Phariseis aboue shewed, that one singulare person maye sometyme per- MarginaliaSome one man sometime, may seemore then a whole Councell.ceiue a thinge more then a generalty or a multitude: for only Gamaliel dyd see better what was behouable, thē could all the other there congregate.

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Agreable vnto this we finde in the Decrees Dist. 31. where it is written, MarginaliaDist. 31. cap. Nicena.that þe Councell of Nice, willing to correct or amende the life of men of the Church, ordeyned lawes called Canons or rules. And as they treated vpon such ordinances, some thought it expediēt to bring in a law, that Bishops, Priestes, Deacons, and Subdeacons shoulde not lye with their wiues, whom they had maried afore they were consecrate into the order. MarginaliaThe story of Paphnutius in Nicene Councell.With that arose Paphnutius a Confessor of Christe, and gaynesayd it, testifying that mariage was an honorable thing: sayinge also, MarginaliaChastitye stādeth not by singlenes of life, but purenes of matrimony.that it is chastitie for a man to lye with his owne proper wife. And so he perswaded the Councell, that they should constitute no such lawe, affirming, that it was a sore matter, þt they were minded to do, which should be, either to the Priestes, or els to their wiues, an occasion of fornication: and this was Paphnutius reason. The wordes of the Canō procede thus. This declared Paphnutius, he neuer beinge maryed, nor hauing experience of mariage, and the Councel commended his sentence, making no statute in thys matter, but put it to euery mans free will and liberty, without any enforcement or necessitie. These woordes stand (as I haue recited them vnto you) written in the Decrees, albeit they are somewhat otherwise rehearsed In historia tripartita, as I haue shewed before in the fourth Article. Vpō this, that Paphnutius did thus resiste and preuayle agaynst all the other Coūcell, doth the Glose note in the same lawe: MarginaliaOne man hauing scripture with him, is more to be beleued then a whole Councell without scripture.that one singulare person may gaynesay or speake agaynst an vniuersall generality, hauyng a reasonable cause on hys side. Suffrage also of þe same haue we in Abbot Panormitane, where he sayth thus: I would (quoth he) rather beleue one lay person, bryngyng for hym authority of Scripture, then an vniuersall Councell that ordeyneth or defineth a thyng, without Scripture.

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Finally I say, that I neuer recounted them neither Saintes, ne deuils, but resigned the iudgement therof to God, neither haue I in earnest reported them the one, or the other. Neither haue done vnto thē particular worshyp so farre forth, as I can remember.

¶ Aunswere to the 36. Article.

MarginaliaTo the. 36. article.
Whether euery generall Councell representeth the vniuersall Church.
In the xxxvi. where you do aske, whether I beleue, hold, and affirme, that euery generall Coūcell, and the Councell of Constaunce also do represent the vniuersall congregation or Church? I say that what such Coūcels do represent, I can not certeinely tell, & therfore beleue neither yea, nor nay, neither can I therfore make any affirmation pro, or contra, with thys demaund, or agaynst it: and no maruell. For I know of no Scripture to certifie me of the same, ne yet any sufficient reason. And me thynketh thys (vnder correction I speake) that Coūcels might represent (albeit I know not whether they do or no) the vniuersall Churche, not beyng yet the same, as I wot well they neither are ne were: MarginaliaWhat is the church.For the Church I do take for to be all those, that God hath chosen or predestinate to be inheritors of eternall blisse and saluation, whether they be temporall, or spirituall, kyng, or subiect, Byshop, or Deacon, father, or child, Grecian or Romaine. MarginaliaHe meaneth here the Church inuisible.And this Churche spreadeth through the vniuersal world, where as any do cal for helpe truly vpō þe name of Christ: and there do they euer most grow and assemble commonly, where as his blessed worde is purely and openly preached, and declared, for that is the reliefe of mans soule, wherunto all men louyng their soules health, lust to resorte and seeke (as all thynges doe naturally seeke after that, whiche should nourishe & prolong theyr life) for in it is shewed, that righteousnes, whiche who soeuer doth thirst after, and is an hūgred for, shall come into the kyngdome of heauen. Of this may well the Prouerbe in the Gospell (although it bee applyed to the iudgement of God,

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