Critical Apparatus for this Page
Commentary on the Text
Names and Places on this Page
Unavailable for this Edition
1107 [1106]

K. Henry. 8. The aunsweres of Iohn Lambert to the Byshops articles.

are reputed of hygher prudence: so that the worlde therby many tymes is brought into admiration, seyng such factes done of God before their face, and laugh thereat sometyme with indignation, as the Phariseis dyd at the blynde man whome Christ had restored to sight, where they sayd to him. Thou caitife was borne blynd for thy sinnes, and wylt thou teache vs, that are a great multitude of hygh officers of the temple, and Doctours to teache the lawe? MarginaliaIohn. 9. As who woulde saye, it becommeth the full ill. Yet we ought not to meruell greatly at such doyng, for so much as S. Paule. 1. Cor. 1. sheweth of lyke practise done in hys tyme, and that hee writeth for the instruction of all ages after ensuyng, so that it perteineth (lyke as all the holy Scripture doth) as well to our tyme, as it dyd to that it was fyrst written in. The doctrine of Christes crosse., that is to wit, of the new testamēt, is to thē that perishe foly,, (sayth he) Marginalia1. Cor. 1. but to vs that obtaine therby saluation (meanyng therby, to such as beleue) it is the myght or power of God for it is written (sayth he) by the Prophet Esay: that God aforetyme sayde he would destroy the wisedome of the wise, and the vnderstandyng or learnyng of the learned would he throw away and despise.

[Back to Top]

This prophecie alleged, Paule thought to be authoritie sufficient to disswade the Corinthians from the folish affiaunce, vaynglorye or opinion that they had in men, whome they paraduenture euer highly estemed for their offices, or solemne titles. So that hee procedeth forth in the same: where are ye now (quoth he) the worldly wise, the scribes Marginalia1. Cor. 1. that is to say, Doctours and such other lyke officers. MarginaliaThe wisedome of this world confounded. Hath not God shewed the wisedom of the world to be folish & vnsauery? for after that by the wisedom of God (whiche is shewed in Scripture I suppose (the world hath not studied to know God by wisdome, it hath pleased God nowe to saue thē that beleue: thorow the folishnes of preaching. MarginaliaWhy the Gospell is called folishe preaching. He calleth the word of God foolishe preachyng, not because it was foolishe, for afore he called it godly wisedome, but hee spake after the opinion of them, that set litle or nought thereby, estemyng it as Esopes Cocke dyd the precious stone, & as swyne do pearles.

[Back to Top]

After long proces in the same matter, he concludeth thus Brethren (sayth he) you se your callyng, how that not many wise men after the fleshe, are called to the beliefe of the Gospell, nor many mighty men: ne manye of noble parentage: but those that bee fooles after the estimation of thee world, hath God chosen to confound the wise. &c.

[Back to Top]

Therfore, I say (as I sayd afore) that, thankes bee to God, albeit I am (as I shewed before) voyde of such great prudencie that other be well endued with, yet I see partly how their great reasons be not very substantiall, wherby they contende by the treatye of reason, when authoritie fayleth them, to shewe, that we ought to pray to Sainctes departed, for to be Mediatours for vs to Christe, And amonge other, this is one, that they leane much vpon, bringyng it forth so vsually that common people, well nighe altogether harpe vpon the same: Some fauoryng it other contrarywise estemyng it of no value.

[Back to Top]

MarginaliaObiection to proue inuocation of saintes takē out of reason The reason is this: If when one should desire to come to the speach of our soueraigne to obteine some bowne of him, nede it were first to purchase the fauour of his Chamberlaynes or some lyke officers to bryng hym to the kyngs presence, for els he maye watch long in vayne, vntill he be full a cold, ere that he shall speake with his grace, and much lesse is he lyke to obteine his petition. In lykewise it feareth (as they saye) betwixt God and vs: of whome if wee should purchase any benefite, we must first breake vnto the Sainctes departed makyng them our frēdes to go betwixt God and vs, as Mediatours, and intercessours. MarginaliaAnswere to the obiection wherein is declared that God and an earthly king are not to be cōferred. But such (with their leaue I would speake it) I thinke are deceyued, in that they resemble God and the king together. For though the kyng be a full gracious Prince (as I heare by common reporte he is) yet hee is not in graciousnes to bee conferred with God: and though hee were as gracious as myght be, yet hath not he the knowledge which is in God, for God knew of all thynges before the begynnyng of the worlde, and is euery where, to see, not onely our outwarde dealyng, but also all secret thoughts of all mens hartes, so that he nedeth no Mediatours to enforme hym of our desires, as the kyng doth neede: And he is so full of infinite mercy: that I may as lyghtly or as soone obtayne of hym þeþe is for my behoufe, as I shoulde wynne by praying holye Sainctes to be intercessours to hym for me.

[Back to Top]

MarginaliaNo comparison betwene God an earthly king. Therfore, I passyng such apparant reasons, take me to the ensample of antiquitie, I meane of the Patriarkes, Prophetes, and the Apostles, and authoritie of Scripture, which teache that we neede not to feare, but may boldlye resort vnto Christ hym selfe and hys holye father, for so much as he byddeth vs in these wordes and other lyke, so for to doe, saying: MarginaliaMath. 11. Come vnto me all ye that rrauaile, are vexed, and sore charged, and I wyll refreshe and ease you. Mark how he biddeth vs resort vnto him self, & that wtout feare. For he & hys father which are all one, geueth abundantly of all goodnes, vnto all mē, and vpbrayd no bodye for their vnworthines. MarginaliaThe Lord only to be sought vnto with prayer. But if we entēd to obtayne of hym, we must al doubtfulnes (as I sayd afore) put a parte, with a sure cōfidēce of his mercy, aske of hym þt wee would haue. So þt I leaue vnto other, what they lust to do, praying Iesu, þt we all may lust for that, that is most pleasing to hym.

[Back to Top]

But I thinke, concerning my selfe, that accordyng to Christes owne cōmaundement, I may without any doubt casting, resort in all encombraunces, to seeke ease thereof, euen vnto hymselfe, and to his blessed father. Therefore he byddeth vs when we should pray, to say after this fashion: Our father that art in heauen. &c. MarginaliaGod in might mercy and knowledge incomparable. For there is no creature ne creatures, that euer were or be, that hath more, nor so much neither of might, wherby commeth habilitie to geue helpe: ne of mercy and tendernes, which should make them wyllyng in proportion agreable wyth habilitie: ne of knowledge, that should teach to minister both the other, as is our Lord God: which not onely is almyghtie, all mercyfull: & all wyse: but also infinite in all these glorious properties, MarginaliaMight, mercy, knowledge, how when and whom to helpe. so that vndoubtedly he can, wyll, and knoweth how to relieue and succour vs in all necessity & anguishe: vnto whom be honour without end for euer. Amen.

[Back to Top]

One thyng yet I will shewe you in thys case, of which thyng I was once aduertised by a great learned man, who (as I suppose) is now lyuing. I will not name hym, least I should perhaps cause any displeasure to be conceiued agaynst hym thorough my relation. The thyng was thys: MarginaliaThe saying of a learned man.
Saintes are to be prayed to whē God is not able or will not heare vs.
I will (quoth he) pray vnto Saintes, but that shall be, when I thinke that God, either can not, or will not geue me my petition. But that (as I shewed in the conuocation house) 

Commentary  *  Close

This is a reference to an earlier examination of Lambert before Convocation in 1531.

shall neuer be, I hope. And therfore it is to me needles to seeke any further about, standing in such trust and beliefe, as I hope I haue founde vpon Gods sure promise.

[Back to Top]

MarginaliaAnswer to the xv. article.¶ To the xv. Article, where you doe demaunde whether the Saintes in heauen, as Mediatours, pray for vs? I say, that I beleue Saintes in heauen do pray for vs: for I suppose they know that all men generally lyuing vpon earth, be wrapped in manifold myseries, lyke as they also were, their soules being imprisoned wythin their bodyes beyng mortall. MarginaliaSaintes know no particular miseries on earth. Albeit I thynck they know not what particular myseries men vpon earth be entangled and clogged with, as sheweth Augustine, or els some other (as I thinke rather) vnder hys name in a certayne worke, saying in thys wise. MarginaliaSaintes in heauen whether they pray for vs. Ibi sunt spiritus defunctorum, vbi non vident quæcunque aguntur aut eueniunt in ista vita hominum. Quomodo ergo vident tumulos suos aut corpora sua, vtrum abiecta iaceant, an sepulta? Quomodo intersunt miseriæ viuorum, cum vel sua ipsi mala patiantur si talia merita cōtraxerūt, vel in pace requiescant, vbi mala nulla nec patiendo nec compatiendo sustineant, liberati ab omnibus malis quæ patiendo & compatiendo cum hic viuerent, sustinebant. The summe hereof is, that soules departed, feele nor know of no particular miseryes susteyned of men lyuing in thys world, wherby they should neede to take eyther patience, or els compassion after their deceasse. Yet for somuch as they know in generall, that all men lyuing are clad wyth frayltie, and their charitie is not minished after they be hēce departed, but increased, therfore I beleue verely that they do pray for vs as petitioners, but not as mediatours, so farforth as I cā see. MarginaliaOne Mediatour, and what a Mediatour is. For Scripture vseth to speake but of one Mediatour, which I thinke, signifieth a maker of peace or atonement betwixte God the father and man. Record I take of Paule, which. 1. Timo. 2. sayth: Marginalia1. Tim. 2. Vnus est deus, vnus est & mediator dei & hominum, homo Christus Iesus, qui dedit semetipsum redemptionem pro omnibus. Erasmus translateth it, conciliator dei & hominum. That is to say. There is one God & Mediator or peace maker betwixt God & mā, the mā called Christ Iesus, which gaue himself for the redemptiō of all. Marginalia1. Tim 2.

[Back to Top]

Thus (I say) I beleue Saintes in heauen do pray for vs, as pititioners, but not as Mediators. Yea, all they, I weene, do pray & long that the day of iudgement may soone come, according to the saying of Paul: Solicita creaturæ expectatio reuelationem filiorum dei expectat. The feruēt desire of the creature waiteth when the sonnes of God shalbe reueiled. And agayne: Omnis creatura congemiscit, & nobiscum parturit vsque ad hoc tempus. MarginaliaRom. 8. Euery creature groneth with vs and trauaileth in paine together vnto this present. Which shalbe for the accomplishment of glory both to them and to all other elect of God to be hys children and coinheritours with Christ.

[Back to Top]

MarginaliaAunswere to the xvi. article.¶ In the xvi. Article where you demaunde whether I beleue that oblations and Pilgrimages may be deuoutly & meritoriously done to the Sepulchers and Reliques of Saintes? I say, that what they may be, I can not perfectly tel: For God can so worke, that vnto those, whom he hath chosē to be inheritours with him, all things shal turne

[Back to Top]
to
Go To Modern Page No:  
Click on this link to switch between the Modern pagination for this edition and Foxe's original pagination when searching for a page number. Note that the pagination displayed in the transcription is the modern pagination with Foxe's original pagination in square brackets.
Find:
Type a keyword and then restrict it to a particular edition using the dropdown menu. You can search for single words or phrases. When searching for single words, the search engine automatically imposes a wildcard at the end of the keyword in order to retrieve both whole and part words. For example, a search for "queen" will retrieve "queen", "queene" and "queenes" etc.
in:  
Humanities Research Institute  *  HRI Online  *  Feedback
Version 2.0 © 2011 The University of Sheffield