stance according to your belief and constructiō. To this D. Moreman stackered in answeryng. MarginaliaMoreman stackereth and cannot tel what to answer. whose defect Philpot perceiuyng, spake on this wyse. Well mayster Moreman yf you haue not an swere at this present, I pray you deuyse one if you can conueniently, againste our nexte metyng here againe: MarginaliaWeston is offended.with that his saying the Prolocutor was greuouslye offended, tellyng hym that he should not bragge there, but þ^t he should be fully aunswered. Than saide Philpot: It is the thyng that I onely desire to bee aunswered directly in this behalfe, and I desyre of you and of all the house at this present, that I may be sufficiently aunswered, whiche I am sure you are not able to doe, sauyng Theodoretes autoritye and similitude vpryght, as he ought to be takē. MarginaliaPhilpots replication aunswered by cōmaunding him to silence. None other aunswere was made to Philpots reasons, but that he was commaunded to silēce. Than stode vp the Deane of Rochester offring hymselfe to reason in the first question agaynst the natural presēce, wishyng that the Scripture and the auncient Doctors in this poynt myght be weyed, beleued and folowed. And agaynste this naturall presence he thought the saying of Christ in sainct Mathew to make sufficently ynough, yf men would credite and folowe scripture: MarginaliaThe deane of Rochester. who sayde there of himself that poore men we shoulde haue alwaye with vs, but hym we should not haue alwayes, whiche was spoken, quod he, concernyng the naturall presence of Christes body. Therefore we oughte to beleue as he hath taught, that Christ is not naturallye present on earth in the sacrament of the altare. MarginaliaWestons answere to the DeaneTo this was answered by the Prolocutor that we should not haue Christ presente alwayes to exercise almesse dedes vpon hym, but vpon the poore. But the Deane prosecuted his argumēt, and shewed it out of sainct Austen further, MarginaliaThe Deanes replycation.that the same interpretation of the scripture alleged was no sufficient aunswere, who writeth in the fifty treatyse vpō saynt Iohn on this wyse of the same sentence. Whan as he said, sayth saynt Austen, me shall ye not haue alwayes with you, he spake of the presence of his body. For by his maiestye, by his prouidence, by his vnspeakeable & vnuisible grace, that is fulfylled which is sayd of hym, beholde I am with you vntyll the consummation of the world. MarginaliaA notable authoritie out of saint Austen.But in the flesh which the word tooke vpon hym, in that whiche was borne of the virgine, in that whiche was apprehended of the Iewes, whiche was crucifyed on the crosse, whiche was lette downe from the crosse, whiche was wrapped in cloutes, whiche was hydden in the sepulchre, which was manifested in the resurrection, you shall not haue me alwaies with you. And why? For after a bodily presence he was conuersant with his discyples, xl. dayes, and they accompanying him by seyng and not by folowyng, he ascended and is not here: for there he sitteth at the ryght hand of the father. And yet here he is, because he is not departed in the presence of his maiesty. After another maner we haue Christ alwayes by presēce of his Maiesty: but after the presence of his flesh it is rightlye sayde, you shall not verely haue me alwayes with you. For the church had hym in the presence of his flesh a fewe dayes, & now by fayth it apprehēdeth hym and seeth hym not with eyes. MarginaliaWatsons answere to saint AustēTo this authoritye D. Watson toke vpon hym to aunswere, and sayde he would answer S. Austen by saint Austen, & hauing a certayne booke in his hande of notes, he alledged

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Once again, the text is occasionally altered by typographical errors in the edition of 1576. A reference to Augustine's 'xc' treatise on St. John (Trew report, sig. B4v), rendered as 'lxxxx' in 1563 (p. 908) and 1570 (p. 1513) became '70' in 1576 (p. 1513) and was reprinted as '70' in 1583 (p. 1412).

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MarginaliaPhilpot against watson.Agaynst whose answere Ihon Pilpot replyed and sayd, that Watson had not fully answered S. Austine by saynte Austine as he would seme to haue done, for that in the place aboue mencioned by Maister Deane of Rochester, he doth not onely teache the mortall state of Christes body before hys passion, but also the immortal condicion of the same after hys resurrection, in the which mortall body Saint Austine semeth playnely to affirme that Christ is not preseente vpon the earth, neyther in forme visibly, neyther in corporall substance inuisibly: as in fewe lines after the place aboue alleaged. S. Austine doth more plainely declare by these words saying: now these ii. maner of Christes presence declared, which is by his maiesty, prouidence, and grace nowe presente in the worlde, which before hys ascencion was present in the flesh, & being now placed at the right hand of the father is absent in the same from the worlde, I thinke, (sayth S. Austine) that there remaineth no nother question in this matter. Now, quoth Philpot, if Sainte Austine acknowledged no more presence of Christ to be now on earth but onely his diuyne presence, and touching his humanitye to be in heauen: we ought to confesse and beleue the same. But if we put a thyrd presence of christe, that is corporallye to be presente alwayes in the sacramēt of the altare inuisibly, according to your supposicions, whereof. S. Austen maketh no mencion at al in al his workes, you shall seme to iudge that which Saint Austine dyd neuer comprehend. Why, quoth Watson, saynte Austine in the place by me alleaged maketh no mencion how Saint Steuen being in this world saw Christ after his ascension. It is trewe said Fylpot, but he sawe christ as the scripture telleth, in the heauens beinge open, standing at the right hand of god the father. Further to this, Watson answered not. Than the MarginaliaD. Westō prolocutor went about to furnysh vp an answer to saynt Austen, saying that he is not now in the world after that maner of bodely presence, but yet present for all that in hys body. To whom Phillpot answered that the prolocutor dyd grate muche vpon this word, (secundum) in saynte Austine, which signyfyeth after the maner, in forme, but he doth not answere to, (id quod) whiche is that thing or substance of Christ in the which Christ suffered, arose, and ascended into heauen. In the which thing and substance he is in heauen and not on earth, as Saynt Austine in place specified most clerely dothe defyne. To this nothing els being answered, MarginaliaThe Dene of Rochester.maister deane of Rochester proceded in the maintenaunce of hys argument & red out of a boke of annotacions, sondry auctoryties for the confirmacion thereof. To the which MarginaliaMoreman Moreman, who was appointed to answere hym, made no direct answer, but bad him make an argument, saying maister Deane had recited many wordes of doctors, but he made not one argument.

Then sayd maister Deane, the autorities of the Doctors by me rehersed, be sufficient argumētes to proue myne intente, to the which my desire is to be answered of you. But stil Moreman cryed, make an argumente, to shyft of the