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1469 [1445]

Queene Mary. Disputation of D. Ridley Bishop of London at Oxford.

MarginaliaAnno. 1554.signifieth, MarginaliaDoubtes in the third proposition.and whether at this day there be any such in deed as the auncient fathers vsed: seeing that now there be neither Catechistes nor penitentes to be sent away. MarginaliaIn the primitiue Churche the newly instructed in the fayth and the vnworthy were sent away from the Communion.

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Againe touching these wordes (The liuely sacrifice of the Church) There is doubt whether they are to be vnderstand figuratiuely and sacramentally, for the sacrament of the liuely sacrifice (after which sort we deny it not to be in the Lords supper) or properly and without any figure: of the which maner there was but one only sacrifice, and that once offered, namely vpon the aultar of the crosse.

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MarginaliaThe third doubt.Moreouer, in these wordes [as well as] it may be doubted whether they be spoken in mockage, as men are wont to say in sport of a foolish and ignoraunt person, that he is apt as well in conditions as in knowledge: being apt in deede in neither of them both.

MarginaliaThe 4. doubt.There is also a doubt in the world [Propitiable] whether it signifie heere, that which taketh away sinne, or that which may be made auayleable for the taking away of sin: that is to say, whether it is to be taken in the actiue or in the passiue signification.

Now the falsenes of the proposition, after the meaning of the Schoolemen and the Romishe Church, & impiety in that sense which the wordes seeme to import, is thys: MarginaliaThe falsenes of the third proposition reproued.that they leaning to the foundation and their fond trāsubstantiation, would make the quick and liuely body of Christes flesh (vnited and knit to the diuinitie) to lye hid vnder the accidents, and outward shewes of bread and wine. Which is very false, as I haue said afore, and they building vpon this foundation, do hold that the same body is offered vnto God by the Priest in his daily massings to put away the sinnes of the quicke and the dead, Whereas by the Apostle to the Hebrewes it is euident, MarginaliaBut one sacrifice in the scripture.that there is but one oblation, and one true and liuely sacrifice of the Church offered vpon the aultar of the crosse, which was, is, and shall be for euer the propitiation for the sinnes of the whole world: and where there is remission of the same, there is (sayth the Apostle) no more offering for sinne.

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¶ Arguments confirming his aunswere.

MarginaliaThe first argument.Ce-
No sacrifice 
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The first and second syllogisms of Ridley's arguments confirming his answer to the third proposition are recast to change what were oral arguments into more correct and logically balanced syllogisms (cf. 1563, p. 962 with 1570, p. 1611; 1576, p. 1374; 1583, p. 1445).

The fifth syllogism of Ridley's arguments confirming his third proposition was recast for the same reason (cf. 1563, p. 962 with 1570, p. 1611; 1576, p. 1374; 1583, p. 1445).

ought to be done but where the Priest is
meete to offer the same. MarginaliaHeb. 5.
la-
All other Priests be vnmeete to offer sacrifice propiti-
atory for sinne, saue only Christ:
rent.
Ergo, no other Priests ought to sacrifice for sinne,
but Christ alone.

The second part of my argument is thus proued.

MarginaliaArgument.Fe-
No honour 
Commentary  *  Close

The first and second syllogisms of Ridley's arguments confirming his answer to the third proposition are recast to change what were oral arguments into more correct and logically balanced syllogisms (cf. 1563, p. 962 with 1570, p. 1611; 1576, p. 1374; 1583, p. 1445).

The fifth syllogism of Ridley's arguments confirming his third proposition was recast for the same reason (cf. 1563, p. 962 with 1570, p. 1611; 1576, p. 1374; 1583, p. 1445).

in Gods Church ought to be takē wher-
vnto a man is not called, as Aaron.
ri-It is a great honor in Gods Church to sacrifice for sin:
son.
Ergo, No man ought to sacrifice for sinne but onely
they which are called.

But onely Christ is called to that honour:

Ergo, no other priest but Christ ought to sacrifice for sin. That no man is called to this degree of honour but Christ alone, it is euident: For there are but two onely orders of Priesthood allowed in the word of God: namely, the order of Aaron, and the order of Melchisedech. MarginaliaHeb. 7.But now the order of Aaron is come to an ende, by reason that it was vnprofitable, and weake, and of the order of Melchisedech there is but one Priest alone, euen Christ the Lord, which hath a priesthoode that can not passe to any other.

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Another Argument.

Ba-
That thing is in vaine and to no effect, where no ne-
cessitie is wherefore it is done.
ro-
To offer vp any more sacrifice propitiatory for the
quicke and the dead, there is no necessitie: for Christ our
sauiour did that fully and perfectly once for all:
co.Ergo, to do the same in the Masse, it is in vayne.

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Another Argument.

Fe-
After that eternall redemption is found and obtained,
there needeth no more dayly offering for the same:
ri-
MarginaliaHeb. 9.But Christ comming an high Bishop, &c. found and
obteined for vs eternall redemption.
o.
Ergo, there needeth now no more daily oblation for the
sinnes of the quicke and the dead. MarginaliaAb vna causa veritatis ad propositionem habentem illam causam, valet consequentia.

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Another Argument.

Ca-
All remission 
Commentary  *  Close

The first and second syllogisms of Ridley's arguments confirming his answer to the third proposition are recast to change what were oral arguments into more correct and logically balanced syllogisms (cf. 1563, p. 962 with 1570, p. 1611; 1576, p. 1374; 1583, p. 1445).

The fifth syllogism of Ridley's arguments confirming his third proposition was recast for the same reason (cf. 1563, p. 962 with 1570, p. 1611; 1576, p. 1374; 1583, p. 1445).

of sinnes commeth only by shedding of
bloud.
mes-In the Masse there is no shedding of bloud:
tres.
Ergo, in the Masse there is no remission of sinnes: and
so it foloweth also that ther is no propitiatory sacrifice.

Another Argument.

In the Masse, the passion of Christ is not in verity, but in a mistery representing the same: yea euen there where the Lords supper is duly ministred.

But where Christ suffereth not, there is he not offered in verity: for the Apostle sayeth: MarginaliaHeb. 9.Not that he might offer vp

himselfe often times (for then must he haue suffered often times sith the beginning of the world) now where Christ is not offered, there is no propitiatory sacrifice:

Ergo, in the Masse there is no propitiatory sacrifice: For Christ appeared once in the latter end of the world, to put sin to flight by the offering vp of himselfe. And as it is appoynted to all men that they shall once dye, and then commeth the iudgement: euen so Christ was once offered to take away the sinnes of many. And vnto them that looke for him, shall he appeare agayne without sinne, vnto saluation.

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Another Argument.

Da-
Where there is any sacrifice that can make the com-
mers thereunto perfect, there ought men to cease from
offering any mo expiatory and propitiatory sacrifices.
ri-
But in the new testament there is one onely sacrifice
now already long since offered, which is able to make
the commers thereto perfect for euer.
j.
Ergo, in the new testament they ought to cease from
offering any more propitiatory sacrifice.

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Sentences of the Scripture tending to the same ende and purpose, out of which also may be gathered other manifest arguments, for more confirmation thereof.

BY the which will (sayth the Apostle) we are sanctified by the offering vp of the body of Iesus Christ once for all. MarginaliaHeb. 10.And in the same place: But this man after that he had offered one sacrifice for sinne, sitteth for euer at the right hand of God, &c. For with one offering hath he made perfect for euer them that are sanctifyed, and by himselfe hath he purged our sinnes. I beseech you to marke these wordes Marginalia[By himselfe.][by himselfe] the whiche well wayed, will without doubt cease all controuersie.

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The Apostle playnely denieth any other sacrifice to remaine for him that treadeth vnder his feete the bloud of the testament by the which he was made holy. Christ will not be crucified againe, he will not his death to be had in derision.

He hath reconcyled vs in the body of his flesh. MarginaliaColoss. 1.Marke I beseech you, he sayth not, in the mistery of his body: But in the body of his flesh.

If any man sinne, we haue an aduocate with the father, Iesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sinnes, not for ours only, but for the sinnes of the whole world. Marginalia1. Ioan. 2.

I know that all these places of the Scripture are auoyded by two maner of subtile shiftes: the one is MarginaliaThe popish distinction betweene bloudy and vnbloudy sacrifice.by the distinction of the bloudy and vnbloudy sacrifice, as though our vnbloudy sacrifice of the Church were any other then the sacrifice of praise and thankesgeuing, then a commemoration, a shewing foorth, and a sacramētall representation of that one only bloudy sacrifice offred vp once for all.

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MarginaliaThe papistes maintayne their sacrifice propitiatory, by the old Doctors falsly wrasted.The other is by deprauing and wrasting the sayings of the auncient Fathers vnto such a straunge kinde of sense, as the Fathers themselues in deede neuer ment. For what the meaning of the Fathers was, it is euidente by that which S. Augustine writeth in his Epistle to Boniface, & in the 83. chapter of his 9. booke against Faustus, the Manichee, besides many other places, likewise by Eusebius, Emisene, Cyprian, Chrysostome, Fulgentius, Bertram, and others, MarginaliaDoctors making a-gainst the propitiatory sacrifice of the masse.which do wholy concord and agree together in this vnity in the Lord, that the redemption once made in verity for the saluation of man, continueth in full effect for euer, and worketh without ceassing vnto the end of the world, that the sacrifice once offered can not be consumed: that the Lords death and passion is as effectuall, the vertue of that bloud, once shead, as freshe at this day for the washing away of sinnes, as it was euen the same day that it flowed out of the blessed side of our sauiour: and finally, that MarginaliaThe whole substance of our sacrifice wherein it consisteth.the whole substance of our sacrifice which is frequented of the Church, in the Lords Supper, consisteth in praiers, praise, and geuing of thankes, and in remembring and shewing foorth of that sacrifice once offered vpon the altar of the crosse: that the same might continually be had in reuerence by mystery, which once onely, and no more, was offered for the price of our redemption.

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These are the things (right worshipfull M. Prolocutor, and ye the rest of the Commissioners) which I could presently prepare to the aunswering of your three foresayde propositions: being destitute of all helpe in this shortnes of time, sodaine warning, and want of bookes. MarginaliaB. Ridley appealeth from the vniust sentence of his aduersaries, to some other superiour competent iudge.Wherefore I appeale to my first protestation, most humbly desiring the helpe of the same (as much as may be) to be graunted vnto me. And because ye haue lately giuen most vniust and cruell sentence against me, I do heere appeale (so farfoorth as I may) to a more indifferent & iust censure & iudgemēt of some other superiour, competent, & lawful iudge, & that according to the approued state of the church of England. Howbeit, I confesse that I am ignoraunt what that is at

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