Cran. But they that did take Manna worthely, had frute thereby: & so by youre, assertion, he that doth eat the flesh of Christ worthely, hath his frute by that.

Therefore the lyke dothe folowe of them bothe: and so there shoulde bee no difference betwene Manna and thys sacrament by youre reason.

Harps. When that this is sayde, that they whiche did eate Manna, are deade, it is to bee vnderstande by the wante of the vertue of Manna.

Cran. They which doe eate worthely any of them do liue.

Harps. They do liue whiche doo eate Manna woorthelye: not by Manna, but by the power of GOD, geuen by that. The other whiche doe eate thys Sacramente, doe lyue by the same.

Cran. Christ did not entrete of the cause, but of the effect which folowed: he doth not speake what causeth the effect.

Harps. I doo saye the effects are diuers, life, and death: which do folow the worthy, and vnworthy eating therof.

Cran. Sithens you will needes haue an addicion to it, let vs vse both in Manna, & in this sacrament, indifferently, eyther worthely, or vnworthely.

Christe spake absolutely of Manna, and of the Supper, so that after that absolute speakinge of the Supper, wicked menne can in no wyse eate the fleshe of Christe, and drinke his bloude.

Farther, Austine vppon Iohn tractatu. 26. vppon these woordes qui manducat &c. sayeth: there is not suche respecte in commō meates, as in the Lordes bodye. For who that eateth other meates, hathe still honger and nedeth to be satisfied daylye: but he that doth eate the flesh of Christ, and drinketh his blood, doth liue for euer. But you do knowe wicked men not to do so.

Ergo wicked men do not receiue.

Harps. Sainte Austine dooeth meane, that he who eateth Christes fleshe, &c. After a certayne maner, that he shoulde lyue for euer. Wicked menne dooe eate but not after that maner.

Cran. No man doth participate Christe, but he that is of the misticall body: but the euil men are not of the misticall body: therefore they doo not participate Christ.

west. Youre wonderfull gentle behauioure, and modestye (good maister Doctoure Cranmer) is worthy much commendation: and that I maye not depryue you of youre ryghte and iuste deseruynge, I geue you moste heartye thankes in myne own name, and in the name of all my bretherne at whiche sayinge all the Doctors gentelly putte of theire cappes. Then

maister Weston did oppose the Respondent in this wise

west. Tertullian dothe call the Sacramente the signe and figure of the Lord.

Sainte Augustine Ad Dardanum sayeth. Non dubitauit dominus dicere, hoc est corpus meum, cum daret signum corporis.

That is: the lord stack not to say, this is my body, when he gaue a signe of his bodye: besides this he geueth rules how to vnderstande the scriptures sayinge. if the scriptures seme to commaunde some heynous thing, then it is figuratiue: as by example, Manducare carnem & bibere sanguinem, est tropicus sermo. To eate the fleshe and drinke the bloude, is a tropicall speach.

Harps. Tertullian dyd wryte in that place agaynste Marcion an Heretike, who denyed Christe to haue a true bodye, and saide, he had onely a fantasticall bodye. He wente aboute to shewe that we hadde Christe bothe in heauen and in earthe: and thoughe we haue the true bodye in the Sacramente, yet he would not goe aboute so to confounde him, as to saye that Christe was truely in the Sacramente. For that heretike would haue thereat rather marueyled, then beleued it: Therfore he shewed him, that it was the figure of Christe. And a figure cannot be, but of a thinge that is, or hath bene extante. To the texte of Augustine: The Church hath neuer taughte the contrary, there is an outewarde thynge in the Sacramente, whiche somtimes hath sondry names. For it maye bee called a figure in this declaration: that whiche is in the Sacramente, is a figure of Christ dwelling in heauen.

To the third, that which is brought by Augustine, in steade of example, about the vnderstanding of the scriptures, is thus to be vnderstanded, as tending to a generall manner of eating: so manducare carnem, & bibere sanguinē To eate the flesh and drinke the bloud, maye be a figuratiue spech to exclude Anthropophagiam. i. the eating of mans flesh: the whiche is, when we eate mans flesh cut into morsels, as we eate common meate: but we neyther haue nor eate Christ in the sacrament.

west. I vnderstande youre shorte an learned aunswere, which doth sufficiently content me. But nowe to the seconde question, which is of transubstanciation.

The scripture doth call it bread.

Ergo it is breade.

Harps. In the name of bread all is signified which we do eate.

VVest. Theodoretus, an auncient wryter, in his first dialogue, sayth: that Christe chaunged not the nature, but called it his body.

Harp. He dothe there speake de Symbolo, whiche is Externa species sacramenti. The outwarde forme of the sacrament: He meaneth that that doth tary in his owne nature, moreouer as it was reported: he brought for his answere Augustinum in sententijs Prosperi.